{"id":75756,"date":"2014-08-18T14:32:25","date_gmt":"2014-08-18T14:32:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rcntv.rcn.com\/?p=75756"},"modified":"2023-04-18T16:23:34","modified_gmt":"2023-04-18T16:23:34","slug":"the-sportstalk-shop-the-case-for-trading-cole","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.astound.com\/atvn\/the-sportstalk-shop-the-case-for-trading-cole\/","title":{"rendered":"The SportsTalk Shop: The Case for Trading Cole"},"content":{"rendered":"

Although I was deeply disappointed the Phillies <\/a>made zero non-waiver trades before the Major League Baseball \u201cdeadline\u201d and have since dispatched only Roberto Hernandez for just a couple low-level minor leagues (or cash considerations), I am not one of those people who think they should simply jettison any or all marquee names off their roster without due cause.<\/p>\n

First of all, trading players like Jonathan Papelbon<\/a>, Ryan Howard<\/a>, Antonio Bastardo<\/a> and Kyle Kendrick<\/a> right now won\u2019t get you much more than Hernandez did (unless you agree to pay most or all of Howard\u2019s and Papelbon\u2019s remaining salaries). Even a team as desperate for bullpen help as the Tigers haven\u2019t offered enough to whet the Phillies\u2019 appetite. Secondly, the Phillies have gone out of their way to retain older, yet fan-adored players who do have trade value\u2014Chase Utley<\/a>, Jimmy Rollins<\/a>, Carlos Ruiz<\/a>\u2014and there wasn\u2019t even a whiff of a trade rumor involving any of these veterans. That leaves just one player\u2026and perhaps only one player\u2026that can be used to obtain players to kickstart the Phillies’ woeful offense and help fill major gaps in the starting rotation.<\/p>\n

Colbert Michael Hamels<\/a>.<\/p>\n

I do not take this option lightly. I covered the Phillies beat when there was a rush to trade Curt Shilling\u2014and the team obliged\u2014only to be completely disappointed with the four players they got in return. Shilling went on to lead two different teams to three World Series championships and was a Cy Young runner-up three times. Only Vicente Padilla really flourished with the Phils\u2014and even then it was a little touch-and-go with the fiery right-hander on what you\u2019d actually get out of him on a given day. The other three players (Omar Daal, Nelson Figueroa, Travis Lee) never lived up to their billing, and the team went years before they found a bona fide, \u201ctakes us to the promised land\u201d ace, which happened to be\u2014Cole Hamels.<\/p>\n

A true number-one pitcher is one of the hardest commodities to groom, and only a handful of teams have the financial resources to even get in the running to buy an ace through free agency. Decades go by before some teams are lucky enough to possess a dominating, lights-out type of pitcher for more than a couple of seasons. But with the Phillies floundering in last place and only a handful of gleaming, yet distant prospects in the team\u2019s organization, trading Hamels has to be something the team is willing to do for the right price, and word is there will be options available this winter.<\/p>\n

There have been recent rumors about the Red Sox supposedly offering some of their young players (including Christian Vasquez, Jackie Bradley, Jr. and the once-coveted prospect Xander Bogaerts) to Philadelphia in an off-season deal. I think the Phillies would need to hold out for a team like the Cubs or the Dodgers, who each have at least four young players\/blue-chip prospects, to get involved in any trade-Hamels sweepstakes. All three of those teams have cash and the need to pick up a front-line starter, but if you deal a player like Cole, you need to get back at least three players who MUST contribute on the big league level (no need to think too hard to remember the Cliff Lee to Seattle deal).<\/p>\n

If you can help solve issues the Phillies\u2019 need to address this off-season (eg., starting pitching depth, improving your defense, improving your offense, adding an everyday outfielder et al), then you need to pull the trigger and deal Hamels.<\/p>\n

But Phillies president David Montgomery\u2014whether he believes what he\u2019s been saying or not\u2014has continued to insist the team will not rebuild and wants to remain a playoff contender every year. If they trade Hamels this off-season, doesn\u2019t it mean that they can flush any hope of a post-season appearance down the proverbial toilet for three or four seasons?<\/p>\n

Enter free agent-to be, Max Scherzer.<\/p>\n

(Wait a minute, Chris\u2026you\u2019re telling me the Phillies would add ANOTHER multi-millionaire, 30-something player to their current projected 2015 salary, which is in excess of $140-million–and that\u2019s just for 17 players?)<\/p>\n

Yes, the Phillies would still have to unload a player, or two, from its multi-mega-million dollar core. They would have to ship Howard to an American League team and get next to nothing in return. They might have to pay a team to take Papelbon off their hands. Perhaps you have to throw in one of your weighty contract guys in a Hamels deal (and therefore forfeit a fourth young prospect in return). But Scherzer, a 30-year old who, unlike Roy Halladay or Lee <\/a>(the second time he was acquired) would be right in the middle of his prime when he arrives in Philly. In effect, you\u2019re flipping Hamels for Scherzer AND three or four quality players that will help your offense and starting pitching.<\/p>\n

Consider the following roster minus Howard and Papelbon when you start to look ahead to the 2015 Phillies team\u2014keeping in mind this does NOT include adding the three meaningful bats and\/or starting pitchers to your staff along with Scherzer, which could augment\/improve what you already have\/are stuck with.<\/p>\n

SP \u2013 Scherzer
\nSP \u2013 Lee
\nSP \u2013 Another mid-level\/cheaper option pitcher like Ryan Vogelson, Jason Hammels, Jorge De La Rosa or Edinson Volquez SP \u2013 Dave Buchanan<\/a> SP \u2013 Aaron Nola \/ Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez<\/a><\/p>\n

Closer: Ken Giles<\/a>
\nSet-up: Jake Diekman<\/a>
\nRHP Long Relief: Justin DeFratus<\/a>, Ethan Martin<\/a>, Gonzalez
\nLHP Long Relief: Mario Hollands<\/a>, Bastardo<\/p>\n

Catchers: Carlos Ruiz<\/a>, Wil Nieves<\/a> \/ Cameron Rupp<\/a><\/p>\n

Infielders: Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins<\/a>, Mikael Franco, Cody Asche, Freddy Galvis<\/a>\/Cesar Hernandez<\/a>\/Andres Blanco<\/a>\/Reid Brignac<\/a> (utility guys)<\/p>\n

Outfield: Marlon Byrd<\/a>, Grady Sizemore<\/a>, Ben Revere<\/a>, Dom Brown<\/a>, Darin Ruf<\/a> and either Rusney Castillo (who may accept a team\u2019s offer as early as this week) or\u2014don\u2019t forget about my \u2018surprise signing<\/a>\u2019 for next year (mentioned in my 8\/4\/14 blog entry)–Yasmani Tomas.<\/p>\n

Would this be enough to get you to re-mortgage your house in lieu of buying 2015 World Series tickets? No. But this might help turn the Phillies in the right direction, while still giving the budget-minded people in the Phillies\u2019 front office reason to expect more fans will come out to Citizens Bank Park in 2015. Plus, with the money the team will be getting in their new TV deal after the following season, mixed with the Phillies own prospects like Roman Quinn, J.P. Crawford and others currently progressing in the lower minors, the future might not be as far away as it feels right now. Even if you have to wait a few years for things to come together, Scherzer would only be 32 for Opening Day 2017, and signing him to a likely six-year contract would mean he would finished his deal by age 36 (which will be Lee\u2019s age next week\u2014and he still has up to two more years on his current pact).<\/p>\n

Hey, there\u2019s not many people currently on the Phillies payroll who could honestly dispute that the team right now is anything other than a disaster. You have to start somewhere, and right now, one of the most viable options would see Hamels, a Phillies World Series MVP, pitching his final game in Philadelphia pinstripes this September.<\/p>\n

What do you think the Phillies’ next moves should be? Do you think they should trade Hamels\u2026and what should they get in return? Email your opinions to us at RCNSportsTalk@rcn.com<\/a> and join us this Thursday as we talk about the Phillies, their minor league options and Major League baseball on \u2018RCN SportsTalk\u2019 live from 6-7 pm.<\/p>\n

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